Grundig G4 Introduced, Dropped
No sooner than we had completed testing of the new Grundig G4 recordable portable than IBS was notified by the manufacturer that it had been discontinued.
Accordingly, the review was pulled from what was to go into Passport 2009. But as the G4 is still widely available, that writeup is being posted in full here. —David Zantow and the staff of Passport to World Band Radio
New, but Quickly Discontinued
**5/8
Grundig G4 World Recorder, Lextronix G4
Pricing (as available): Grundig: $199.95 in the United States. CAD$199.95 in Canada. Lextronix: €149.00 in Germany.
Pros: Built-in recorder/player with large LCD that’s “information central” for recorder and radio. Comes with 1 GB of memory to store much off-air and other recording time; if that’s not enough, accepts up to 2 GB of additional memory to bring the potential total to 3 GB. Seven equalization (EQ) settings for recorder playback; more yet in 3D SRS mode. Recorder has pause control during record and playback. Huge memory bank of a thousand presets within ten pages of 100 presets each; presets’ setup aided by station-tuning storage (ATS) that functions on all bands. Other handy tuning features are up/down slewing for world band in 5 kHz steps (see Cons), 9/10 kHz for mediumwave AM, 50 kHz for FM; effective signal-seek scanning; keypad in customary telephone format; and quick access to world band segments. Little chuffing during bandscanning, and muting rarely intrudes (see Cons). Two well-chosen bandwidths (see Cons). Very good sensitivity. Dual conversion provides superior image rejection. Generally pleasant audio (see Cons) with punch, decent bass, 27-step volume and virtually no hiss. Clock, in 12- or 24-hour/World Time format (see Cons), displays separately from frequency; also, displays seconds, day and month when radio off. Sleep timer, up to 99 minutes (see Cons). LCD (see Cons) has worthy 15-second timed illumination (see Cons). External antenna jack for world band and FM (see Cons). Mute button. Keys have good feel. Internal battery recharging with indicator and automatic shutoff. Telescopic antenna swivels and rotates. Presets non-volatile; other data retained for one minute after batteries removed. Recorder plays back MP3 and WAV files. Recorder playback has fast forward/reverse and repeat. Automatic record level functions well. Easy to transfer recording or “memory” text files to and from computer via USB 2.0. No driver needed for XP and, apparently, Vista (see Cons). Audio line input for recorder (see Cons). Travel power lock and separate tuning-knob lock. Hinged battery cover (see Cons). Two-level attenuator, plus off. Good FM sensitivity and selectivity. Superior mediumwave AM performance. Includes USB cable, line-input audio cable, indoor shortwave wire antenna, earbuds, AC adaptor and robust carrying pouch (see Cons). Can be powered by a PC’s USB port. Elevation panel (see Cons).
Cons: Not particularly user friendly. Does not record in important MP3 mode, just .wav files at 32 kbps, 4 bit, 8 kHz (IMA ADPCM format); result is disappointingly low-fidelity audio. No tuning knob. No single sideband. No signal strength indicator. Mediocre dynamic range limits use of accessory antennas. Substandard front-end selectivity, so strong local mediumwave and FM stations can bleed into shortwave spectrum. From typically 8-13 MHz, placing hand on radio occasionally generates spurious signals, buzzing and/or ghosting in of FM signals. Included AC adaptor causes minor hum with indoor antenna. Slewing tunes world in only 5 kHz steps, nothing finer. No audio line output. On/off timer, which can be used for unattended recording, is single-event only. Minor muting during mediumwave AM bandscanning. Limited skirt selectivity allows powerful world band signals to splatter widely. Presets don’t display tags or store bandwidth. Frequency readout uses nonstandard LCD XX.XXx MHz format. When radio turned on, volume sometimes blasts briefly until preset volume level recognized. Hinged battery cover slightly impedes battery insertion/removal. Omits little-used 2 MHz (120 meter) world band segment. Carrying case odoriferous until aired out for days. Firmware apparently can’t be upgraded. Does not function with Windows 98, as no driver available. Elevation panel flimsy. Doesn’t include three “AA” NiMH rechargeable batteries for portable operation. AC adaptor feeds radio via USB plug; unusual, although it works.
Verdict: The most exciting part of the quickly discontinued G4—manufactured for Grundig by Degen in China—is its recorder, which has up to 3 GB of memory to store countless hours of off-air and other recording. However, it suffers from pedestrian ergonomics, mediocre recording fidelity and so-so receiver performance. Too, it lacks a tuning knob and has no single-sideband capability.
Evaluation of New Model: The G4 combo radio-recorder was based on the Degen DE1121/Kaito KA1121 platform, so it is no surprise that its receiver is similar. However, there are enough differences, pro and con, to consider the G4 as distinct from the ‘1121.
For starters, one “pro” is that the Grundig G4 has no less than a thousand station presets nestled within ten pages of 100 each. However, a “con” is that the presets don’t store bandwidth or tags (alphanumeric station descriptors).
Another plus is the G4’s heavy-gauge carrying pouch, although it reeks of creosote until thoroughly aired. Also included are earbuds; an AC adaptor that connects to the radio with a computer USB plug; and a short cable with dual stereo plugs so audio devices can be fed through the radio. The G4’s USB port also allows it to obtain power from a PC’s 5V DC USB, a nice touch.
There is automatic battery recharging, but unlike with the ‘1121 rechargeable batteries aren’t included. The battery door, hinged to prevent loss, can get in the way when changing batteries.
Mixed Ergonomics
Even though keys are small, tactile response is excellent. To power up the G4, simply press the power key for a second—handier than the ‘1121. There are dual function keys and other user-unfriendlies, but overall the G4’s operation is less involved than that of the ‘1121.
The G4 has numerous tuning options, including station-tuning storage (ATS), to simplify entering presets data; ATS works on all bands. Nevertheless, the G4, unlike the ‘1121, lacks a tuning knob. For some this means little, but for others it can be a deal breaker.
An elevation panel helps angle controls for comfortable use. However, unlike that on the ‘1121 it’s not robust, so don’t press on the radio.
Computer Limitations
Transferring audio files using drag and drop is easy and straightforward. No drivers are required with Windows XP and, seemingly, Vista, but unlike the ‘1121 the G4 doesn’t work with Windows 98.
The ‘1121 allows presets to be programmed by a PC, but not so the G4. There also appears to be no way to upgrade firmware, although the ‘1121 allows for this.
Radio Performs Comparably
World band performance mimics that of the ‘1121, with superior sensitivity and image rejection. Dynamic range is mediocre, but bandwidths are well chosen even if they have only modest skirt selectivity. FM—which lacks Japanese frequencies—and mediumwave AM both perform commendably, and audio quality is pleasant for the radio’s size. Intrusive muting during bandscanning is minimal, as well. However, there’s no audio line-output jack or signal-strength indicator.
When our G4 tuned between 8 and 13 MHz and a hand is placed on the cabinet’s back, spurious signals occasionally appear that vary with hand movement. In actual use this has not been an issue. However, it may reflect mediocre front-end selectivity which even with the ‘1121 sometimes allows powerful FM and other signals to intrude within the world band spectrum. All this differs from mild digital buzz which sometimes appears when a hand rests on the LCD or keys.
Although the G4 and ‘1121 perform similarly as radios, there is one significant difference: The ‘1121 processes lower and upper sideband signals, the G4 doesn’t. For listeners to the American Forces Radio & Television Service, as well as hams and utility chasers, this capability tends to be meaningful. Otherwise, it’s rarely of concern.
Recording: ‘1121 Gets Cigar
Like the ‘1121, the G4 stands out because of its built-in recorder/timer. Indeed, the G4 includes much more memory—1 GB, upgradable to a whopping 3 GB—to squirrel away heaps of recordings. The G4 also includes a pause control during recording, another upgrade. As with the ‘1121, recording level is automatically controlled and works well.
Additional goodies include seven-position EQ for the MP3 player, along with 3D-SRS for added sound enhancement. For the radio proper, however, there are no audio-shaping tone controls.
All good news, but the kicker is that the G4’s recording quality seriously disappoints. The ‘1121 can record MP3 in commendable fidelity (selectable settings of 128, 80 and 32 kbps), as well as WAV in low fidelity (32 kbps, 4 bit, 8 kHz IMA ADPCM format). However, the G4 records only in that WAV format—passable for voice, but scarcely suitable for music.
The G4, like the ‘1121, can play back either MP3 or WAV files imported from external sources. However, audio-in recording and recording from the built-in mic are in the lone WAV format.
Further degrading the radio’s potential as a “world band TiVo®,” the ‘1121’s three-event timer has been winnowed down to one event in the G4. The ‘1121’s shuffle mode isn’t on the G4, either. Finally, the G4’s recorder can’t be removed from the radio for standalone use, as it lacks the ‘1121’s handy docking system.
The LCD can be distracting. First, it has a peculiarly “thin” layout. Second, displayed characters are a hodgepodge of sizes. Third, frequency shows as nonstandard XX.XXx MHz. Yet, the frequency readout and 24/12-hour clock are shown separately, and numeric seconds are displayed when the radio is off. Fifteen-second illumination is also a plus, but unlike on the ‘1121 it can’t also be switched on fulltime.
In our bakeoff, the G4’s pros vs. cons against the cheaper ‘1121 can seem like one gourmet croissant vs. two burnt muffins. Apparently Grundig thought so, too, as no sooner than it had been out for some weeks than they decided to discontinue it. Nevertheless, units are still widely available from dealers and direct from Etón’s “Past Collection.”
September 10th, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Compared with the latest MP3 players that hold 8 or even 16 GB, a maximum of 3 GB is a joke. This means that the unit cannot use the current SDHC cards, only the obsolete SD. Etón often claims that their radios are “designed by Etón” then made in China. How can such obvious flaws can end up in a commercialized product?
Ed.: Who knows, but at least they quickly quit making it.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Well, the successor looks pretty awesome. Here’s to hoping the DE1123 (and its various Etón/Degen/RadioShack incarnations) arrives within a couple years.
Ed.: See here.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:17 PM
I have used 4GB in this unit. There are 4GB non-SDHC cards available.
October 4th, 2008 at 10:13 AM
So, several suppliers have “old new stock” for months and months. Don’t trust Etón website and let your review in Passport 2009! (Still unavailable in Europe, of course).
Something else: Etón has changed its E100 model from single conversion to double conversion without any mention about this. Have you tested the new version? Is it better or worse? Maybe better in SW and worse in MW?
Ed.: Etón contacted us to let us know the G4 was being discontinued, and this was followed by its being listed at their website as discontinued.
As to the E100/G100, this is also a discontinued model, so we haven’t retested it this year. As to a change from single to double conversion, this is certainly news to us. How did you come across this claim?
Passport 2009 goes to press next week will be out later this month and available worldwide from here by Priority Mail the moment it’s off press. We’ll be posting full details at this site in the coming days.
October 6th, 2008 at 5:35 PM
About the Etón E100 now being a dual conversion receiver, the most detailed information I found is from http://stephan.win31.de/rx-eval.htm#e100. He bought an E100 in March 2008 and found that the first IF is now around 55.845 MHz, including for MW reception, and that the MW front-end is now wideband. He thinks that the E100 is now close to the new Tecsun PL-450. This information is now being discussed on the forum of http://www.dxer.ca, with members trying to decode serial numbers and find when the change occurred, and probably the same thing happens at the Yahoo group about ultralight DX.
About the G4 discontinued (?), wait and see … and look at dealers with inventories, anything else from Etón seems unreliable news. At least, I will print your review (just above) to add it in my copy of the 2009 edition, thank you.
Ed.: Thanks for the update. BTW, info on Passport’s 25th Anniversary Edition (2009) is now displayed at http://www.passband.com, with a link to the new table of contents.
May 2nd, 2009 at 5:13 PM
I just bought a Grundig G4, and I’m shocked that it has been discontinued.
Too, I have a problem with its FM volume: It is very low. Does someone know if there is a special setting for this, or is it supposed to be like that?
Ed.: No, this sounds like a defective sample. —David Zantow
June 5th, 2009 at 2:08 AM
I bought a G4 a few days ago at The Source/Circuit City in Vancouver. It’s crap. I’m reasonably tech-savvy, but find this radio very confusing to use. The manual is useless – there are no clear instructions beyond basic functions, and these are inadequate. You can easily waste hours trying to figure out how this thing works, to no avail. No wonder the G4 was discontinued. I’m taking this thing back and getting something else. Grundig/Etón, you laid an egg with the G4.
June 24th, 2009 at 4:00 AM
it may be crap, but for one day it’s affordable crap.
http://sellout.woot.com/
is offering the G4 for $55 refurbished.
July 16th, 2009 at 8:57 AM
The G4 is available (apparently new, not refurb) for $47 with free shipping at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855137001
August 12th, 2009 at 3:55 PM
I’ve had the G4 for 6 months-it’s actually, easy to use, and the recorder works great.
August 24th, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Amid so many negative reports on the G4, mike wilkerson’s positive report seems to stands out. What is one to belive?
August 27th, 2009 at 12:28 AM
I’ve had the G4 for a couple of months. The manual warns that commands may take up to 30 seconds to occur after hitting a key – I found this true and very frustrating. It won’t recognize my Sandisk 2 GB SD card, I may try another brand of card. If I switch modes to record from the radio, it gives me error message ‘E53 – there are no files’, but it records anyway. I’m embarrassed for Eton. Glad I have better SW radios for listening. The G4 does alright as a nightstand clock radio – Ah! waking up to WWV.
September 13th, 2009 at 8:52 PM
I bought my G4 off of Woot.com and am pleased with it. I was challenged to understand the direction booklet and had many trial and error episodes getting the G4 to do the things it can do. The price was right and now after several weeks of use, I am very pleased with the performance. I like the way preloaded stations hold up their memory. I jump around a lot when listening to talk shows. I travel to Vietnam yearly and I am looking forward to testing the short wave capability of the G4 there. I think I bought the right unit for my needs. One thing I have not learned to do yet is index my downloaded English and Vietnamese MP3’s so they do not play mixed together on the same playlist. Any tips? Is it even possible? Thank you fellow DXers.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:13 AM
I bought my G4 on sale for $39.88 brand new. The comments of Donna Osmond are accurate. The instructions are useless, the proceedure for setting date and time and selecting 12/24 hour time is unintelligable because the radio does not respond as indicated, storing stations is difficult and cannot be recalled. All things considered, the only way I know of to waste $40.00 faster is to smoke crack.
December 31st, 2009 at 10:41 PM
My poor mom bought two of these G4, she was very disappointed. Donna Osmond nailed the issues. Just reassuring to know I’m not alone in this frustration.
January 9th, 2010 at 4:38 PM
I just the new G6 from grundig and i love it
February 17th, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Hello,
My name is Andrei and I am from Romania. I have a G4 which is new, sent by a friend who lives in USA. This receiver has 2 problems: first, it doesn’t record line-in (it only records with its own microphone or from radio) and, second, I used G4 also with 1 kHz and now it only uses 5 kHz. Would you help me, please with some advice? Actually, I am pleased with this product (Eton/Grundig) and I also have G5, Yacht Boy 80, and I want to buy an E1XM.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you for your attention.
17.02.2010 Andrei Leontescu
Bucureti, Romania
Ed.: Hard to say, as radios like this are typically either returned to the distributor to be swapped out under warranty, or are simply tossed. In your case, if the radio is still under warranty, the American who originally bought it could contact Eton/Grundig for advice. Chances are, though, that they would recommend sending it back to their California offices. This might not be worth it, given your European location.